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*their biggest fanbase was hetero females*

I can understand that Cowlip (being gay and not into women) could be disappointed of that fact. But, really, hetero females hold very much of subtle power in this men's world. They really can influence the general public opinion on the gay's acceptance subject.

And it's enough to see the pilot to know that in that script Michael/Brian are an obvious focus couple. It's not so in ep 103 already. I think after the pilot Cowlip took the turn to Brian/Justin centered story.

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I was a day one fan couldn't stand Michael and his constant whining. From the begging it was obvious that Brian/Gale was sex on a stick. Justin/Randy quickly grew on me and I was cheering for the ballsy teen. The fact that Randy was a great actor and Hal showed no early hints of acting ability was part of the reason. The remaining cast was awesome.

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I don't think that Hal is bad actor, I think that Gale/Hal wouldn't match much for the purposes of the romantic relationship on the show as a characters couple

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Hal is a mediocre actor at best, but worse than that he is a for shit co-worker.

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he is a for shit co-worker.

Duly reflected in the fact that you almost never see him with the rest of the gang when they get together. Barbeque, anyone? :)

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I've been sort of enjoying watching random clips of him in Celebracadabra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSs9-xW5IA8) on youtube.... *coughs*

Then again, I didn't like Hal Sparks years before I ever saw QAF....

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I never liked him. From the first ep of QAF, long before I had any idea who he was, not to mention any idea what QAF was about, he grated on my nerves. I don't think he's a good actor and I don't find him funny. And given some of the things he's said about Gale, well, let's just say he should not ever expect a birthday present from me! :)

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Well, mine stemmed from earlier than that, but even to this day I can't even catch a glimpse of him in any of the VH1 music video countdowns and have him pop up without wanting to chuck the remote at the TV.

So when I first watched QAF my first thoughts were, "Good fucking God it's that asshole." and I almost stopped watching it. Then Gale walked in...and all was right in my world and I tried hard to tune Hal out after that point. I tried later to get an idea on his character, but still...there are a lot of times I wished that Michael/Hal could just go the f away.

I sort of felt bad for the character of Michael, I just instantly hated him and could never give him a chance. Some fanfic out there has helped with that....a bit... ;)

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I should add that I've never really seen any of the things he's said, I've heard a few things...but that's it. So I can't even base my dislike on that. I almost asked on

highd's entry not too long ago what she was talking about but was afraid that people would get upset by even remembering it.

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I have no complaints about his acting in QAF, in fact I liked it. And as for a *for shit co-worker*, many people suck in that way, but if it doesn't spoil the team work at the time when people work together, I have no complaints about that either. As a fan, I'm interested at the product be made as good as possible. The rest is not that much relevant.

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But it did ruin the team. It ruined Michael for me completely even if Hal was ok in his scenes, it's hard to put all the nastiness he spewed aside and enjoy his work on the show.

I am glad you can look past this and be zen about him, but if the current state of the cast isn't a clue on just how horrible of a co-worker he was then I don't think there is any way to convince you that I am right.

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I don't think that the current state of cast can be taken as an indication that Hal was a bad actor (or ruining something) during the filming. I think that personal feelings towards what actors might have said according to somebody are only personal feelings and nothing else. If you are happy with those feelings, it's ok, I don't mind. It's hard to control feelings zen or no zen.

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I think the fact that the rest of the cast don't talk to Hal, see Hal, or spend time with Hal but all get together as a group minus Hal says something. My personal issues aside, I don't need those to realize hey there's an issue there if they can all happily get together yet avoid Hal at every opportunity....

I didn't mean to butt into your comment, but I had this moment of "what?" that I just couldn't ignore.

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Ok, does it say to you that Hal was bad as an actor or ruined team work during filming? It doesn't to me. Current situation is a current situation, 6 years after the closing of the show filming.

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Yes, yes it does because he not only said awful things that put a strain between them during filming, he continued to do so even years later....so yes it does affect the way they act around him and reasons why they would not make attempts to see him like most do for the others. *scratches head* I guess I view it this way the people I was friends with from previous jobs I still talk to when I get the chance even though some I haven't worked with in a decade....yet the people that treated me like shit...well....

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree I doubt I can change your mind to something you've set in stone and that's the vibe I'm getting.

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To be fair, there are only a few things we know Hal said, as fact, 99% of the worst of things are only hearsay, via fans. That interview and his few comments on Twitter are the only real proof out there, and neither are that bad. Stupid & petty, but no where near slanderous.

He didnt ruin filming or strain anything on set. Every single person asked (extras, etc) state that Hal was the most outgoing and made the set very comfortable for everyone. The strain was Randy Vs Cowlip. Hal didnt do that interview until years after the show ended.

Lord knows the producers and sundry people havent been closed lipped on the matter, and not one of them has ever mentioned Hal as a problem or a negative while filming, its always Randy.

Some fans claim Hal told them much worse things about Gale, but unless you heard or read it, via the original source, its just hearsay.

He is obviously not close knit with the cast, but they dont avoid him either. He worked with Thea a few months back and he did 2 gay charity events this past year, one with Michelle and one with Peter. He's friendly with Scott on Twitter.

He claims to do lunch with Bobby often and Harris is in touch with him. And he did make up with Randy a year or so back. Note the QAF reunion video, he is there and very much part of the group.

If the cast has to make a choice between gale or Hal to be included at family events, well, we know that outcome, but I think some fans take it way too far. Hal may be a big mouthed ass, but he certainly didnt ruin filming.

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Well, most of the things I've seen/read have been negative on his part. Maybe that's just the way I viewed things.

However, hey kudos to you for actually talking to me on here. :) I had so many send me PMs about it to the point of silliness. :D

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Care to share the things you have read or seen that point him in the negative?

Last year when this came up in here, I linked every known or possible even implied pissy comment Hal said, and really there was not much fact. I would be very interested in reading what you have seen.

Even in the Mile High article, Hal was defended to no end in comments by a slew of people who worked on the set and said Hal was great, there was no drama. The drama was between Randy and the writers, but since the writers were rarely around, the set was fine.

That is the one and only article Hal mouths off on. When he made up with Randy and tweeted about it, it was backhanded slap to to Gale and that is it.

Everyone keeps talking about the awful things he said, but in reality, he didnt say much and it wasnt that awful. Fans exagerate it and even worse, so many on here have taken up the charge and freely admit, they never read anything for themselves, just heard from another person.

Please add links to the bad things you have seen and heard and we can make a master copy of the facts vs rumors.

I think Hal is a tool, but I also think the fandom LOVES drama and if it casts Gale in the helpless victim role, the fandom squees all over itself.

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I would have to dig for them because most has been sent via e-mails/comments, but after various PMs today, I'm sort of irked with this Fandom in general and taking a break. Sorry, but you'll have to wait until I'm not in such a pissy mood myself. Nothing against you, please don't read it that way.

I just don't want you to think that I'm blowing you off, I'll get back to you at some point. Maybe there are others on this same thread that can offer you more information and easily.

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I can wait, been a fan from day 1. Lots of people say they have bad Hal interviews/articles, but no one has ever come through with proof, aside from the Moutain High one. (and the Tweet).

Last year, it was pretty much the same people commenting on the topic, and alas, no one could come up with any actual proof, so my linked list was very small.

I've tried to read and watch every QAF article, fan or extra report, con story, etc, so I would be thrilled to read what you have, when you are in the mood to share.

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Could you, pretty please, add the links in where it's said that Randy was soooooo a problem to the producers?

Some Randy's interview or some C/L interview's, not some pathetic not requested hint to some bad things done from Gale and Randy to the "poor" producters, because this is only Hal's words and frankly I don't trust him a bit:(

Oh, and if you don't have these links, well I'm sorry but it's hearsay this one too.

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my, a bit passive aggressive, huh?!

No, its not hearsay, its well known & documented within the fandom about the battles between Randy & Cowlip. Starting when Randy ranted to the media about his issues with Justin.

already been linked in this thread... the transcript from the Toronto QAF where Shawn Postoff (producer) talks about the Randy vs Cowlip issue.

Del Shores (writer & producer) take on Randy, at about the 2 min mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsEWVKKwHQ

If you go through the tags for discussions, you will be linked to even more and see huge discussions on the matter.

Didnt you ever wonder how Randy's diatribe on Justin in the press ended up, verbatim, in S5 thrown in his face, as a speech Jennifer gave Justin? Or the 'off, off, off broadway' snobby actors that bitch about tv, but still cash the checks and Simon the cunt.

I am not bashing Randy and the subject has been well discussed since 2004, but he certainly pissed of TPTB.

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Well, for me, the interview is bad enough. Very, very, very unprofessional of him. You don't talk about your co-workers like that. You just don't. Can't help but notice that neither Gale nor Randy have ever said anything against him, neither on the record, nor off the record. I'm not going to talk about the things that Hal supposedly said off the record, but the interview and some nasty comments are enough for me.

On top of that, he said those things five years after the end of the show, when everything was already buried and done with. He should have let things be. What was the point?

By the way, him being in the QAF reunion video was to be expected. He was a character, after all. I wouldn't use that as an example of his togetherness with the rest of the cast. I wouldn't use the working stuff or the charity events either. After all, those aren't done just to enjoy the company, are they?

The fact remains that he's NEVER there when the cast get together for fun or for support. I'm not going to go as far as to say that it's because they don't want him there, but it's obvious there's something wrong. When two of my friends argue I never take sides. It's obvious they HAVE taken sides. I can't help but wonder about that.

Oh, and I didn't know Hal from before QAF (I'm from Spain, he wasn't known here). But one of the reasons why I never liked Michael was that I didn't like Hal's performance. I didn't like him as an actor. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but that's my opinion. ;-)

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