Just a Quick Question; Justin and Brian's B-days.

[britinlure.livejournal.com]

I'm working on a AU story for Brian/Justin and I was wondering if anyone could help me with their birthdays. I don't need the exact day obviously but the month. It's AU so their ages are going to be different and everything, but I would like to keep their birthdays around the actual show. Thank you. (If this is not allowed, I'm sorry and you can just delete it).

Comments

[ryosato.livejournal.com]

QaF has a completely incoherent timeline, especially after season 1. (HOW long is Melanie pregnant for, exactly? XD) But we know Brian's birthday is immediately before (day before? that night? week before?) Justin's prom. So you can look at the day most schools do prom, and you'd know Brian's brithday is around then. So basically it means this is the time of year his birthday was... which makes him a Gemini. XD;; Makes.... a LOT of sense. (Sorry, I'm into astrology. >_>;;) We have no information on when anyone else's birthdays are. Michael is... 2 months older than Brian? Maybe someone else remembers what he said...?

[britinlure.livejournal.com]

Thanks. Yeah, I guess I'll probably just make up their birthdays if nobody else can help. But, thank you.

[mander3-swish.livejournal.com]

Michael in season 2 (maybe) mentioned being born in march. Then Ben mentioned being a Pisces, and Justin and Ben have the same bday and in season 1 justin's bday was after Michael's.... so Michael early march and Justin would be probably something like the 15-20th.
and like rysoato said, Brian's is around typical prom time, so like may.

[britinlure.livejournal.com]

Oh, thank you. See, I haven't actually watched season 2 yet. I've actually only watched season 1 of the show so far. I have the first two discs of season 2 but my mom hide them from me, lol. Again, thank you!

[7wildwaysup.livejournal.com]

I'd be going through withdrawal if I had only seen season one... he, he, he... ~ Kathleen

[britinlure.livejournal.com]

Well, I just got into the show like two months ago, that is why I've only seen season 1.

[toto-too514.livejournal.com]

I know there is definitely a time warp thing that exists in QAF... but I agree w/ the other here that Brian's b'day has to be around Prom time in the US which is late May-early June.

Justin is another story... I know they made him have Ben's B'day for his 19th, and yes that would have been Pisces in March. But when he turned 18, his implied b'day was late fall.

If you remember the scene where Emmett is doing "spring cleaning" of his porn and toys etc, for See the Light, Michael mentions something about "spring cleaning in...." Don't remember the last part since I haven't watched the scene in forever, but I know it's NOT spring, that's why the line was funny. And Justin's whole thing w/ Kip - and the "Lucky for you I turn 18 tomorrow" scene - was shortly after that... so, definitely not March.

Add this to the mix: I had saved on my dead computer a picture of a prop driver's license for Justin that I found ages ago on an old defunct QAF site. It listed his b'day as 11/18/82. (Oh, and to settle another argument they listed his height as 5'9" ...Yeah, uh huh! LOL!)

[britinlure.livejournal.com]

Thank you. I'll have to rewatch a few scenes I guess.

[gundamnook.livejournal.com]

I love that prop driver's license of Justin's because it lists his eye color as brown! XD I think I have it saved somewhere. *goes searching*

[toto-too514.livejournal.com]

"it lists his eye color as brown!"

SACRILEGE!!!! ;p

The copy I had was cut off on the right side, so some letters were missing.
I naturally assumed the "B" that I could see was for "Blue."

[gundamnook.livejournal.com]

Yep, eye color listed as brown and his address is Brian's! XD



Love this thing because that picture of Justin looks like a mug shot! XD

[toto-too514.livejournal.com]

I could just see Justin at the DMV filling in Brian's address on his application... and probably drawing little hearts around it! tee hee!

Have no clue where the Brown eyes came from... or the 5"9" either! LOL!

[kat-us.livejournal.com]

"Yep, eye color listed as brown and his address is Brian's!"

Sorry, but Brian doesn't live on Ross St. *Points to icon*


PS: BTW, thanks so much for posting this pic, I'd never seen it. I wonder if it was made for S3, when Justin had to give his license to the cop outside the closed bathhouse during the Stockwell arc.

[gaedhal.livejournal.com]

This and the Michael ID were made by the prop department
and were never meant to be seen close up. They surfaced
after the Set Sale and the pics were posted online.

6 Ross Street is the name on Brian's building in Ep 101 --
it was obviously changed after the pilot was shot, as were
many other details. For instance, Woody's was originally
supposed to be Pistol, as the guy Justin meets on Liberty
Avenue states -- where else would "snotty, conceited assholes
who think they're better than everyone else" hang out? But
it was too much trouble to mask the front of Woody's (as
they did with Sailor next door) everytime they shot there,
so they just caalled it Woody's.

[vasilikii.livejournal.com]

Lots of people use the expression "spring cleaning" when ever they weed stuff out of closets, etc., regardless of the time of year.

[toto-too514.livejournal.com]

Very true... but Michael makes a comment that specifically identifies the time as NOT Spring. That's what made the whole thing funny in the scene.

If I had the time I'd go re-watch the scene... but unfortunately can't do that right now!

[toto-too514.livejournal.com]

Yeah, whoever was in charge of continuity on the show certainly dropped the ball on numerous occasions...

[vlredreign.livejournal.com]

I know someone made a QAF Timeline. It's not definitive, by any meansm but it attempts to make sense of the show.

Justin and Ben are Pisces. Ben mentions being a Pisces to Michael when he talks about pick-up lines: "I'm 33, Pisces, oh, and I'm HIV postive." Or something close to that. In S2, Justin tells Ben that they share a birthday. Pisces is mid-Feb to mid-March. For some reason, people pick March. I kinda like February, it fits in with the S1 storyline a bit better, since it was 114 when Justin says it's his birthday.

Brian, we assume, is having his 30th birthday the same day, or maybe a day or two later, than Justin's prom. In the US, senior proms start in April, usually the last week of April. That would make Brian a Taurus. Trust me, he is SO not a Gemini. I'm one, I should know. lol Plus, he exhibits definite Taurus traits.

Bit or advice, you can chuck it if you like. But I wouldn't write a fic, AU or otherwise, until you watch all 5 seasons. Even if you're deviating from canon, there might be things you'll want to add. Plus it will give you a better insight into the characters. Again, just my personal opinion.

[britinlure.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm not going to write it out so much as work through the plot. I've seen a lot of stuff on YT from the other seasons to probably do a little here or there for canon in an AU story (If that made any sense, xD), but yeah.

[ipitydaf00l.livejournal.com]

This may be late, but I wanted to state that I really believe that Justin can fit in perfectly with Pisces....although I'm not sure if I think he's year of the dog material. (If we take that driver's license posted above to heart on the year.) I can seem some traits...but not like I can with pinpointing him to Pisces. Maybe I'm biased because I'm both Pisces and a Water Dog. Lol.

Do you know where you found the timeline? I'm curious to see it. I know trying to keep track of all the items the show gave us was confusing to keep track of it.

[darla-isabelle.livejournal.com]

I did a timeline once, if you're in the mood for an epic: http://darla-isabelle.livejournal.com/1792.html (Skimming it now I realize that it needs some heavy editing...)

Here's another one I know of: http://dhrachth.livejournal.com/8812.html. I hope this helps.

[ipitydaf00l.livejournal.com]

Hey thanks. :) I'll look into them in more detail later.

[gaedhal.livejournal.com]

I go completely by Season 1, which is the only timeline that
makes any sense.

Molly's 8th birthday is the end of October (Halloween theme
with pumpkins) - Ep 110.

Michael's birthday is in November (after the Molly ep,
heavy jackets) - Ep 111.

Justin's birthday is at the end of the Kip arc (Eps 113 & 114),
in which they say clearly "It's December" -- and in the next
episode, 115, Brian drives Justin to school and there are
Christmas decorations on the houses and it's snowy, so it's
either right before or right after the holidays.

Jack's funeral is in February- see the signs in the bowling
alley and Valentine bouquets on the street (Ted buys one for
Blake, to Emmett's disgust.

Most proms are in April and May, so Brian could be an Aries, a
Taurus, or possibly a Gemini, if you believe in such things.

Season 2 and beyond don't make any sense at all -- CowLip
seems to assume that we wouldn't notice.

[britinlure.livejournal.com]

Oh thank you! That'll all really help me! And it'll be easier to just pick out random birthdays for everyone else. That was what I was going to do in the first place for everyone but decided I'd at least try and get them right, or close to being right with the show.

[gaedhal.livejournal.com]

This is the Timeline I posted back in 2002 for use in my own fics:

http://www.fortruthis.com/gaelmcgear/qaftimeline.html

Edited to add that Brian drives Justin to school in Ep 116, not 115.

[gaedhal.livejournal.com]

Season 1 seems very clear that Michael is a number of months
older than Brian -- there's quite a gap between his birthday
in S1 and Brian's in the final ep of that year.

Also, Michael would have been born in November 1970, while
Brian in Spring of 1971. If Michael had been born in March
of 1970, I doubt a pregnant Deb would have been at Woodstock
in August 1969 doing it with three guys named Julio! But having
a baby in November of her senior year (1970), after Danny Devore
graduated and left for NYC, is more plausible.

The other puzzler is the age of Vic. Season 1 makes him older than
Deb (the Babylon card he gives to Justin), which makes more
sense if Vic was supposedly at the Stonewall Riots in June 1969.
But his death arc in S4 make him younger than Deb, which throws
everything way off. Yes, Jack W is younger than Sharon Gless in
reality, but he certainly doesn't "read" as younger on the show --
and all the other details of his life point to Vic being older.
Just another example of CowLip and the writers' lousy continuity.

[miss-alysandra.livejournal.com]

Not sure if it's too late to answer this or not, but a few years ago (in 2008), when Randy came to France for the first QAF/The L Word con, some QAF scripts had been sold. Among them, the script for episode 122. That's the prom episode but also Brian's birthday episode.
Some scenes had obviously been deleted between those described in the script and those we saw on screen, but in the script, it was told that Brian's birthday was May 21, 1971. That's the girl who was in charge of the auctions and who had the script with her for a few days before the con who told me: Brian’s birthdate on the tombstone of his birthday cake is May 21, 1971 (http://www.kinnetiks.net/alysandras-corner/meeting-gale-harold-and-randy-harrison-reports/2008-qaf-tlw-con/more-details-about-qaf-tlw-the-french-con-2008/).

Hope that helps :)