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Fanon to Canon 'ugly naked guy'?

Writing something for Credence, this thought occurred to me. As I'm sure most anyone knows, there are quite a few things that were said or stated in QAF fandom / showtime message boards by fans that inadvertently made it onto the show in one way or another.

Just two of my favorites that I recall are 'Zen Ben' and 'Brian knocked up Sunshine'.

So if anyone can recall, 'the ugly naked guy painting', was this an actual fandom thing before Justin says it when the painting is being taken away, or was this on the show before?

EDIT: FOUND ANSWER. Okay I was confusing myself by thinking too much about it. Justin does not say exactly 'ugly', and you'd think me watching it 3 times before asking would've alleviated this question. But then I began wondering if he said it as 'ugly' elsewhere or if it was purely fanon. It is only purely fanon. Justin does NOT say 'ugly'.

Thank you!

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If I recall correctly, Justin also refers to it in season one when he gives Daphne "the tour". He says something like: "Wait til you see the picture of the naked guy."

Ah yes, he does! I'd forgotten that. I will have to watch because I'm wondering if fandom made the remark that referred to it as 'the ugly' naked guy painting first, but that might not have been so much as fanon fact to canon fact as it was just blatant truthful observation.

Glad you understood what I was asking for about this stuff as I guess i may not have explained it well enough.

*goes to watch that scene*

Glad I could be of help. I didn't know that some of these things kind of came from fandom as I've only been in the fandom for little more than a year now.

I only remember this scene so well because right then, they have Brian and the stratigically positioned plant make an appearance ;) And because I always keep thinking: "I can't imagine Brian going to a gallery picking out that painting." Ha, maybe it was one of Lindsay's early works, now that I'm thinking of it...

Ha, maybe it was one of Lindsay's early works *dies laughing*

CPR--- Okay so that has to be one of the funniest things ever because if that had once been ~~fanon~~ whoops I mean canon, Lindsay would be a VERY famous artiste as that painting had to be worth something if Brian was selling it and was recouping a good sum of money to pay off some of the 'suddenly acquired bills within a week's time' at 'that time of the month'. Come now, that painting may be of an ugly guy, but it isn't THAT bad! Think for a moment about that horrible Sam Auerbach thing Lindsay did. NOW THAT is not only an UGLY naked guy but an UGLY painting I am convinced they had a juvenile artist do all of 'Lindsay's work' whom was paid with the nubs of pencils and used paint tubes that 'Justin's artist' had thrown away.

Wow, *looks up* that cam out meaner than I intended and likely it is all probably the same artist, only if it is, he used his non-dominant hand to do Lindsay's work.

That being said, I just LOOOOVe how COWPIE forgot about the whole, 'ambidextrous' remark in 101. I suppose like many things, (WV) 'it's only a half an hour outside of Pittsburgh' we're too overlook their inaccuracies and love the show anyway.

*rolls in my love for it*

I know at one time (though it seems less and less people answer my 'remember when' posts at getithere) there were people who talked about many of these fanon to canon facts and I recall once someone did a a five drabble series (chosing one fanon to canon fact of each season). I can not link because I didn't even read many short fics back then so I probably quickly read it and forgot about it. It makes me sad.

I'm a little manic right now because I'm not only losing to a computer playing yahtzee wild dice on the WII but I'm also trying my best to think of other examples besides these few but cannot.

Thanks again!

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I can't comment on if any of these painting are good or not. I know shit about art and I'm one of these people who "don't know art but know what they like". It still seems odd to me that while the rest of Brian's interior design is very sleek, modern and practical, he'd go to a gallery and come home with a 10' painting. He just doesn't seem like the guy for decoration.

Anyways... the lack of continuity doesn't bother me so much, actually. Besides, I'm not sure if someone who is ambidextrous could actually paint (artistically) with the both hands to equal mesaures. I'm left handed and there are a few things I can only do with my right, so...
But that's not what I was going to say. What bothered me even more is the timing on the show. For the life of me, I can never figure out how much time passes within or between episodes. Sometimes it's days, sometimes it's one day and sometimes it's weeks. Like the whole of season 4 seems to span Mel's pregnancy while ep 511 seems to go over at least a couple of days.

Art is definitely in the eye of the beholder, the I do think that there is a fine line of where something can begin to be called art and when it is just plain ridiculous. But just my opinion.

I actually found the painting very suiting to Brian's taste. He's always one to make a statement and almost all the paintings he has in his offices too are quite large and bold. Just because it was a large painting, it did not take up much space, it had it's own place, as every thing in its home seemed to.

I also find that the subject matter was perhaps something so different from what Brian might've found beautiful in men (though I personally thing the subject in the painting is cuter than some of his tricks), or conversely, what he might've seen looking at the painting was beauty stripped to the core. Maybe it was a message, that no matter how many beautiful men paraded into his home, he'd still be stuck with one damn ugly one. LOL!

Mostly for me, the lack of continuity begins and ends with the timeline issues, no matter how long you dissect it, there will always be the more minor inconstant statements, parts of the set, clothing choices, calendars or a million other things that will contradict any timeline directly stated or one that anyone will try to make up. Believe me, I've tried to come up with a more reasonable one since the show first started messing up when it aired and I've yet to settle on one. It will never happen. Even the actors at different times had stated the timeline wrong in reference to a certain scene or series of events because they too had no idea what it was the writers had done.

But, just think if you had like 30 different people writing 83 episodes of a show, and many who came and went and for the most part, many who had never seen but a few episodes or the episode before the one they were writing for. Sort of puts all those inconsistencies in perspective.

But, just think if you had like 30 different people writing 83 episodes of a show, and many who came and went and for the most part, many who had never seen but a few episodes or the episode before the one they were writing for. Sort of puts all those inconsistencies in perspective.

That's true. I mean I've made the same experience when writing my own fic and that's only 8000 words and not a whole show. And probably, had I watched it week by week on TV rather than during a week marathon, I wouldn't have noticed a lot of these things. Given the amount of writers, some things are bound to slip but yeah... there are a few things that should have been noticed. I think my biggest pet peeve is when they don't properly end storylines. Like the Pink Posse thing... This whole thing was a bit ridiculous to begin with but they make this humongous deal out of it and then it just disappears. Sometimes it would have taken only one line of dialogue to end things properly.

The painting is actually by Attila Richard Lukacs (http://www.attilarichardlukacs.com/home.php). He was primarily painting male nudes at the time, but a quick peek at his site shows that he seems to be into abstracts right now.

They used the real painting to shoot the pilot, and then, fearing that it was too risky to leave it on the set where it could easily be damaged (or stolen), they replaced it with a copy.

Yes, which is why I said it wasn't THAT ugly, just the subject and technically I actually don't think the painting is ugly at all, I actually find it very disarming which is more beautiful than most of the work I see hailed from other artists.

Speaking about paintings - do you guys know the name of the artist that did Justin´s paintings? I was searching and never find out. I really love them.

I didn't think the house was meant to actually be in West Virginia...I always took it to be Justin exaggerating, not actually meaning that they were in WV but that it felt like they had been driving so long that they might has well have been. Am I being stupid? Is it actually meant to be in West Virginia?

The world may never know and as far as a house in the country goes, it might be 'logically' in terms of the 'trees and land ect' that it is in WV. Which can technically be driven to if you're on the furthest point of Pittsburgh in a little over a half an hour.

That being said, that like many things in QAF are all up to interpretation of the viewer.

Ah I see...I'm not really great on US geography so I wouldn't know how far you'd have to drive out of a particular city to get to all the green and leafy bits :) I think I'll stick with my theory though, as I like Justin being sarcastic :D

I agree, I thought it was Justin being sarcastic as well.

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Well I like Justin being sarcastic too, so I go back and forth when thinking about it or writing about it because I can't leave known logistics alone sometimes but other times I can. Plus, more often than not I prefer to think of Brian and Justin having a home together far from people who disturb them mid-spanking or... mid... well, anything with just the two of them really. LOL!

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That's exactly what I said further down in this post, so yeah...you're not alone :)

"That being said, I just LOOOOVe how COWPIE forgot about the whole, 'ambidextrous' remark in 101. I suppose like many things, (WV) 'it's only a half an hour outside of Pittsburgh' we're too overlook their inaccuracies and love the show anyway."

I'm with ya on the whole ambidextrous thing and I think I've even mentioned that before on these boards.

Also, I always thought the WV comment was taken way too literally. I always felt like when Justin made that comment, he was just being a smart ass about it taking so long to get out to the house...not that they were actually going to WV. You know...kind of like saying "When you said you had something to show me, I didn't think it was in buttfuck, Egypt" or something like that.

I know this is not the kind of reply you were looking for, but I just couldn't help myself (just another form of Tourette syndrome I guess :P)

LOL!, so many of my posts here go off topic nearly immediately, I'm sure the mods want to slap me around.

I however disagree about the WV comment in some ways, because Justin also often uses sarcastic remarks that are often the plain truth. He also at times to me sounds as though he may be so surprised and uneasy as well. We'll never really know, but when I add in geographical location and such, it just seems more likely that WV would be more realistic than not depending on what direction they drove, which I'm guessing was at least toward WV or the comment wouldn't have been made at all.

:) Rory

I agree. I took Justin's comment literally. It's not that far geographically but it would be a perfect distance if they wanted privacy from the gang just dropping in at all hours,lol.

Yeah, taking in more actual factors that just 'Justin is sarcastic' to me more times than not, that is how I feel. I think I've only not written it that way maybe once in all the dozens of times that I wrote any fics involving Britin, and by Britin I mean the house, not some cheesy way to describe B/J. LOL!

I have a few really strong peeves about fic.

Topping my list is English speaking, but not American writers either not using American betas or using American betas who, because they understand the meaning of the English/Aus phrasing (as we all also understand the meaning), let it go rather than being hyper-aware that this isn't the way an American would say something; these aren't the descriptives we would use. And to be honest, I've also run across a couple of American authors who must've been from the South, because they, too, used regional idiom not consistent with the Northeastern US or with B/J.

But right up there is not taking time to verify distances, driving travel times, flight travel times. I've seen fics talking about 12 hour drives or 5 hour flights to NYC or Toronto from Pittsburgh. Extended travel times could happen if there was a bad storm, plane or airport issues, car trouble, a big wreck on the highway, but those things need to be accounted for in the fic. Otherwise, it's about 7 hours to drive to New York and about 5 and half hours to drive to Toronto. And direct flights to either city are about an hour and a half. It's wayyy too easy with the internet to get correct times for something like this and to not check is just lazy writing, IMO. And boy, does it take me out of the story!

Regarding WV, I think it could go either way. It could be a facetious or sarcastic remark, or it could be true. Google was my friend, again. If you drive straight west out of Pittsburgh, you can be in WV in 30-ish minutes and it's quite possible that that area around the state line could contain wealthy suburban areas, even if their home is still on the PA side of the border. PIT, the airport, is between central Pittsburgh and WV, so that, too, would be an inducement for a lot of business execs to move that direction. It just doesn't take a lot of effort to check these kinds of things out and it adds so much reality to the story. IMO, of course.

Well, I've certainly gone on awhile about this! I have *feelings* about these things, don'tcha know? ;p

Yes you do have some feelings, lol.

I totally hear you on every single point you've made. I'm meticulous about this stuff and if something happens and I figure out later that I've made a mistake I will go back and completely rewrite many details that may come from a mistake I figured wrong with mileage or anything related to it. I even have addresses and maps from characters houses, actual stores, cinemas, schools, etc and the minutes it takes to get there just so that I can have appropriate movement of timeline in one single day.

Another thing that sort of puts more into whether Justin was being sarcastic or not, which I found out a long while ago, and forgot that this was one of my many factors in listing them there in WV for most of my fics involving Britin is zoning. I actually called the equestrian's of Pennsylvania, did some research online and found out where residents are allowed to house horses.

There is a grandfather clause in affect where, if there are horses in a stable before the zoning law, the owner of the land must always have horses or forfeit the right to keep them. The earliest zoning law on this that I could find for and around Pittsburgh was around 40 years ago. So is the Britin house 40 years old? Or further more, would people who own a house of that magnificence not have owned horses in this time and left up empty stables, if they didn't own horses they surely would've turned them into something else.

(An empty house would not likely have horses in these stables and we didn't hear Brian say horses but I doubt Brian would buy a house with dilapidated stables if we're too believe there is also a tennis court(s) then there is some good decent flat land and probably good decent stables.)

But anyway. Stables would mean horses at some point I'm sure within the recent times. This would mean that other than about 2 hours 15 minutes away a Pittsburgh outskirts is as close to any place near Pittsburgh that would allow residential zoning of horses. Unless it is a working farm, therapeutic farm, equine ranch etc, which again is not likely due to the landscape of the front and the driveway. We can tell by the land we see them travel to get there that it is likely to be a large expansive Ranch but that they more have flat land with a few stables enough for riding in their land and perhaps around a small paddock.

Okay, that was me running on and on, sorry.

Where I place Britin in my head an in most all my fics even if I don't give the address in the story (which I may have once or twice) (I have seen for myself from a home that went on the market and looked at it at a realty web site that was like in land mass, size of house and 'nature' as the one we see of Britin). And there are few houses that are any smaller than theirs. Again the thing with the stables, these richer neighborhoods on the pa boarder do not allow them which is why I move them (usually) right after the boarder where it is zoned appropriate.

. I've seen fics talking about 12 hour drives or 5 hour flights to NYC or Toronto from Pittsburgh. Extended travel times could happen if there was a bad storm, plane or airport issues, car trouble, a big wreck on the highway, but those things need to be accounted for in the fic. YES!!!!

Accountability... what a word. I suppose it is actually cowlip's timelines fault that actually made me become such a stickler while writing or reading this stuff. I'd consider myself as knowledgeable at this point of PA as I am the state I've lived my entire life. Once I read a really great story where Brian was shopping at Macy's in downtown Chicago (and this was before the asshole chain bought out Marshall Field's) and I ended up copying and pasting the story into a doc just so that I could correct that because I couldn't stand it. I wouldn't even know the fic by name now because I blotted the title out of the memory so I won't 'remember that it happened'.

I will edit my post appropriately now.

*hugs*

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Justin didnt say 'ugly naked guy'.... just 'naked guy'. (3x14) Just as he referred to it in S1, giving Daph the tour, so the actual line wasnt taken from the fans.

Ugly naked guy is from Friends...which was an ongoing joke on that show for the first few seasons.

I think fans just remember it as ugly naked guy because Friends made that phrase a part of the pop culture lexicon. But the painting was never dubbed ugly on the show...

Right! Thank you for clearing that up. I swear I watched the scene no less than three times and then I started confusing myself and wondering, hmm... maybe he says it using 'ugly' somewhere else. Maybe I thought it was 314 or the Daphne scene but then I convinced myself it was elsewhere.

Turns out it was because it was a pure fanon no canon thing.

I don't recall it being because of Friends, though I do recall a fic that maybe had something like that in it.

Thank you again! :) Rory

Here's the link to darksylvia's "No More Ugly Naked Guy".

http://www.queereyes.net/fanfic/bj-fanfiction/no-more-ugly-naked-guy/

It's a great read and so perfectly IC for the Friends coterie.

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