Who is older - Claire or Brian - Debbie or Vic?

[cowboystracker.livejournal.com]

Can anyone tell me, according to canon, who is older? I remember Brian saying at Jack's wake that his father had told Joan she was to get an abortion because he couldn't afford another mouth to feed. That makes it sound as though Claire was their first child and Brian their second. Also, was there any scene that made it clear that Vic was older than Debbie? I know Vic was born in 1951, which would mean that he had to be older than Debbie, but the way they behaved toward each other, I always had the impression Debbie was older.


ETA: Thanks for all the comments! You guys have been a great help.

Comments

[kmboatright.livejournal.com]

Claire was older; in fanfic authors often make her three years older, like she'd been a high school senior when Brian was a high school freshman.

[vlredreign.livejournal.com]

Vic is younger. Deb calls him her little brother during the course of the show, can't remember which episode.

Claire is older than Brian by several years, I would say. During S2, she brings her sons to Brian's to talk about her mother, they're around 10 and 8, judging by the looks of the actors. If Brian is 31, then the oldest kid, John, would have been born when he was in college. For some reason, I doubt Claire married right out of high school. Also, during Jack's funeral, when Brian's telling the story, he says "Joanie, you're getting yourself an abortion, cause I don't want another fucking kid." Ep 119.

[wouldbedorothy.livejournal.com]

I think we just have to take "little brother" at face value and assume Deb is supposed to be ever so slightly older than Vic, regardless of how the years we're given don't line up with that at all, which seems to just be a continuity error on the writers' part.

[elvenfixation.livejournal.com]

Based on 1.19, Claire is older.

As for Debbie and Vic, has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe they're twins. (That's my way of not making myself nuts over it anyway...)

[pfodge.livejournal.com]

Just to make things a little more confusing, and show how off the continuity is, according to episode 103 and Vic's Babylon membership card he was born in 1952, but his grave stone from episode 409 says 1951.