[identity profile] nightvision55.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] getithere
Mods, I apologise if this is an inappropriate post: please delete it if I'm stepping over any lines.

I've been following Gaedhal's latest QT stream, Coup de Foudre, only guess what? It looks like it may not be completed because of all the hostile comments the author's been getting because - get this - people don't like it being a B/J story! They're all sick of Justin, apparently, and Gaedhal's beginning to wonder if it's worth going on in the fandom if tastes have now swung so far that nobody wants to read anything B/J centred.

I don't want to kick off any Brian v Justin arguments, only to say that if you've enjoyed Gaedhal's wonderful fics then perhaps you could express your appreciation before we lose another great author from the fandom.

Sorry again if I shouldn't have commented on this here.

Date: 2013-05-06 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandraj60.livejournal.com
When I watched the QAF DVD's, I sped through any part that did not include Brian and Justin. I may prefer one over the other but it doesn’t diminish my enjoyment of seeing or reading the two of them together.

There are stories I don’t care to read for one reason or another. Gaedhal is an excellent writer. His Angel Stream is one of my favorites. I have not been following Coup de Foudre because I thought it wasn’t B/J centered enough. It just goes to show that you cannot please everyone; therefore, you should write for yourself.

I cannot understand hate mail. If you don’t like -- don’t read or better yet, write your own. I’ve seen hateful comments on some of the best fics out there. There doesn’t seem to be a way of avoiding it. In the meantime, I’ll have to take a look at the story again. Maybe I didn’t give it a chance.

Thank you for bringing up this issue. In my opinion, if we lose Brian with Justin, we don’t have a reason for the fandom.

Sandra :) 
Edited Date: 2013-05-06 06:27 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-06 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charming-nancy.livejournal.com
Justin is my second favorite character, after Brian, of course, but I still love him. The story I am currently writing on Whispers is in Justin's POV, actually. I could never write a story where Justin wasn't a vital character and didn't end up happily with Brian in the end (as they should). A Brian without his Justin is like a Romeo without his Juliet... a Harry without his Sally... a Tramp without his Lady... you get the picture.

Date: 2013-05-06 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lanbeo.livejournal.com
Wait, what, you mean so many people hate b/j fanfic so much that made so many hateful comment that Gaedhal consider quitting? What????

I mean, if they don't like B/J fanfic, what the point of reading it in the first place???? The whole fandom pretty much IS B/J fanfic.

And seriously, I know there's Brian's haters and Justin's haters out there, but are they even more than BJ fans??? What universal are we living?

Date: 2013-05-06 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaedhal.livejournal.com
Just to say that we are working out a lot of issues in the LJ about the story,
with everyone getting a chance to weigh in and/or clarify their views. This
is all to the good, because it helps me to understand the reaction to the
fic, which I knew would be controversial when I began it.

For the record, the fic WILL continue. My freak out is at an end and
my readers have, as usual, shown great patience in talking me down
from the ledge.

Thanks.

Date: 2013-05-06 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmboatright.livejournal.com
YAY! Very happy to read this!
Hugs

Date: 2013-05-06 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandraj60.livejournal.com
I have to agree with Nightvision. I've only read a few chapters and weighed in my opinion on the last one. It's not my type of story but it doesn't make it less of an excellent story to read. I'm also a little curious as to way the story will end.

We all have our preferences. Please stay true to yourself and continue to write what you love.

Date: 2013-05-06 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starbaby12.livejournal.com
Well thank heavens. Anonymous folks don't deserve the time it takes to read their comments, much less to take them into consideration while you are writing. There seems to be so very few good writers anymore, it will be days before a story peaks my interest.
So thanks Gael.
Cherie

Date: 2013-05-07 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chadmom.livejournal.com
Whew! Dodged a bullet on that one!

Glad we got you down safely!

Date: 2013-05-07 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vlredreign.livejournal.com
I never read your series. Just one of those things I never got around to, sorry. I will put it on my list, though.

That said, there's nothing wrong with asking for honest feedback. We've all done it. But don't ever let anyone tell you what and how to write. If they want to help make a fic better, cool. If they just wanna bitch cause they don't like the direction, well...sucks to be them. js

Date: 2013-05-06 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onthaedge.livejournal.com
People don't like B/J fic anymore?! Whaaaat?! There are some series that I simply avoid due to the OOC portrayal of Justin. That boy put up with way more crap in a relationship than I would have, especially at such a young age, so I don't understand why he gets so much hate. I haven't read this particular series, mainly because a lot of the fics within that verse seem very Brian, Brian/Other centered which is just not my thing, but that's ridiculous that the author is getting hate because it's a b/j fic. Perhaps it's the way Justin is being portrayed that is bothering people? That's usually when I stop reading certain fics.

I don't know, I haven't read much b/j fic in the last year mainly because the way the series ended STILL upsets me to this day. And I discovered the wonders of Kurt Hummel, so I've been pretty occupied with the Glee fandom, even though it's awful, and filled with crazy shippers who bully anyone who doesn't like Klaine or Finchel, heh. Been thinking about coming back to the B/J fandom because I thought there would be less drama by now...guess not, boo.

Date: 2013-05-06 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandraj60.livejournal.com
"There are some series that I simply avoid due to the OOC portrayal of Justin."

I have to Amen that one. Still there are plenty of stories out there that are worth reading that won't irritate your sensibilities to to either Justin or Brian. I understand that there is a preference for either one and take that into consideration when choosing an author or story. And, yes, I do get turned off when I can't find something I would want to read, but I always come back to eventually find something that renews my faith.

As I stated before, there will aways be haters. I'm not going to let them do their job of forcing their opinions on me and derailing me from what I love.

Hmm... Maybe someone should make a rec list of Justin friendly stories. Or have I done that with my strong Justin request? Maybe something is in the tags...

Okay, I'm off to find something to soothe my good QAF fic cravings. Hang in there people. And Nightvision, I did a marathon of your stories last week. Bless you.
Edited Date: 2013-05-06 09:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-07 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaedhal.livejournal.com
The irony is that I was getting criticism because it WASN'T a Brian/OMC
fic. That was what was flummoxing me.

Date: 2013-05-06 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starbaby12.livejournal.com
P.S. Nightvision, you are a writer that regularly hooks me in.
Thanks to you too.
Cherie

Date: 2013-05-06 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toto-too514.livejournal.com
OK, first off... there's more to Queer Theories???? Where?
This past month I just did a marathon read of the entire series.

Well, for me it's all about Justin, and then BrianandJustin. If there's too much Brian-only or Brian-other centered stuff I just skim on through. I certainly don't expect anyone to stop writing it! I self edit!

The only Fics I really don't like are the real "Anti-" Fics. I enjoy all the characters from QAF and making any one of them the evil villain in a story is about the only thing that turns me off.

Date: 2013-05-06 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koalared.livejournal.com
Me too !

Date: 2013-05-07 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaedhal.livejournal.com
All three parts, "Queer Theories," "Queer Realities,"
and "Queer Identities" are finished and on line:

http://www.fortruthis.net/gaelmcgear/Gaedhalficpage.html

Index for all my fics:

http://fortruthis.net/gaedhal/

"Coup de Foudre" is actually a post-513 fic (ten years post),
a sequel to "The End of 'The Evil Stream'" and "Creekside
Canyon."

Edited Date: 2013-05-07 02:37 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-07 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toto-too514.livejournal.com
Thanks! As I mentioned I just finished main-lining QT, QR & QI... and am just about to finish yet another re-read of Medium Security. (BTW, will The Outsiders ever be finished?)

The new streams you have indicated - Coup, Creekside etc - are they part of the QT verse? Do the letters and decades listed in the index indicate that the stories all work togther, or is it simply a way of showing a time frame, and not necessarily that they are part of the same verse?

I am in desperate need of a roadmap... I don't know where to read next, LOL!

Date: 2013-05-08 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaedhal.livejournal.com
They follow canon after 513, except with the same backstory
of Brian going to NYC and meeting Ron when he was 16, and
then coming back to the Pitts and continuing with the "normal"
Stream of QAF, right up to 513. The so-called "Evil Stream"
is actually canon QAF (the title is meant to be ironic, of course!).
So it and "Creekside Canyon are essentially post-513 fics.

"Coup de Foudre" (which means struck by lightning), is 10
years after, taking place in 2016.

I hope that clarifies things.

Date: 2013-05-08 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toto-too514.livejournal.com
Thanks, yes... it does help.

I actually started just reading from the top of the list last night, so I'm in the middle of "Wayfarers" right now! But I will get back to the others!

Date: 2013-05-06 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koalared.livejournal.com
So glad to read that Gaedhal will continue writing her latest story. I originally thought it was not going to be Brian and Justin and was probably not going to read it. But Gaedhal said is was going to be a long rocky ride,which is fine, but was definitely B/J. I was good. But the Justin hate upset me. So Nightvision, when you stood up for Justin,
I silently (hangs head in shame I too should have spoke up) applauded you and marathoned
your writing this weekend too!
Still reading BoaW. Love it.

Date: 2013-05-07 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandraj60.livejournal.com
ARRRRGH! My e-reader overheated while I was going through another marathon and doing my spring cleaning. I now have to go to the computer on my breaks. At any rate, I couldn't pass up the following statements:

"A Brian without his Justin is like a Romeo without his Juliet..."

"Brian and Justin compliment each other because of their differences, not despite them."

That is what I love about the Brian and Justin together. It was the magic of mixing the two opposites -- the Yin to the Yang. My favorite stories are the ones that know how to capture that. I haven't found that magic in any other fandom.

Okay, now I'm going to go through my QAF withdrawals while I do boring housework.
Edited Date: 2013-05-07 12:36 am (UTC)

Please keep writing

Date: 2013-05-07 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lauryw.livejournal.com
I love Brian and Justin and I love your fics. Please do not stop writing...

Date: 2013-05-07 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ljtilford.livejournal.com
Just one more voice letting you know how much your work is appreciated and enjoyed. You have an innate understanding of the dynamic that is Brian and Justin. I always know that I can trust you stories to be wonderful.

Mod Comment

Date: 2013-05-07 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vlredreign.livejournal.com
Although I commented to [livejournal.com profile] gaedhal, I wanted to day that this post should really be in your own journal. It's not a fic search, which is what this comm is for. While we do realize that many of the discussion comms here on LJ are gone, please try to keep your posts fic search-centric.

Re: Mod Comment

Date: 2013-05-08 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vlredreign.livejournal.com
No need to apologize. Just wanted to let you know. I'm talking with the other mods about something that we can do for 'off topic' type stuff. Stay tuned, and don't worry, k?

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