'Push' by Ardra in word doc?

[yvonnereid.livejournal.com]

Hi folks,its me again ;)

I am looking for a fic called 'Push' by Ardra which is in the wayback machine in the links in the sidebar here. The problem is I can't stop getting distracted by that ugly white box that stays at the top of the page in there and I can't read the fic in...shall we call it comfort? Because im distracted. Does any of you lovely folks know if its posted anywhere else or maybe one of you has in word doc or pdf?

Please help if you can,as soon as you can because I am wanting to get back to reading it asap :)

Thanks in advance,Vonnie xoxox

Edited~sent to me by delvalmom,thanks alot xx

Note to mods,I want to say sorry if I opened up a can of worms on this topic.I swear to god that was not my intention.I just wanted to find the story.

Comments

[cheburashka-2.livejournal.com]

Thank you, Xie!

I read (or attempted to read) this story about 3 month or so ago, so it's still relatively fresh in my mind. So, you actually summed up my feeling about that story pretty brilliantly. The Brian in that fic pretty much needed some serious psychological help, not a boyfriend. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought their relationship was abuse, not consensual SM.

As for the argument that an author has the prerogative to leave certain things "off stage", I would agree with that, but up to a point. Usually, those "off stage" events/conversations/etc. are implied in some shape or form, or foreshadowed, or hinted at. In this particular story (or what I've read of it), there was no hint of any kind that any sort of negotiation over boundaries or rules ever happened between Brian and Justin. At no point did I feel like consent was implied. In regards to the outdoor scene I mentioned specifically, it didn't feel like Justin was submitting to his Dom, it felt like Justin was enduring what (to me) amounted to torture out of obsessive love for Brian. And Brian was deliberately hurting Justin not to bring pleasure through pain, but to physically hurt him so much that he used a safe word.

Anyway...I didn't want to stay totally ignorant of all things BDSM, so I went a-hunting for information last night. :) First, I checked out Minx's BDSM for fic writers page from the side bar and read up on some things online. So...all I can say is that all that reading pretty much reinforced my opinion on the fic. However, that is just my personal opinion and I'm sure there are readers that would totally disagree with me.

Again, thank you Xie for giving me lots of food for thought.

Cheers,
Vin

[xie-xie-xie.livejournal.com]

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to float the idea that the consent between Brian and Justin happened off stage, but that the consent in this case was between the writer and the reader, not the characters.

[cheburashka-2.livejournal.com]

I do get that. And 99% of the time, as a reader, I can accept an author's prerogative to keep certain things "off stage" or intend for certain things to remain constant, or be assumed as "standard" for a particular world.

The majority of the time I trust authors wholeheartedly, without reservation and consent for them to take me on a journey into an unfamiliar and sometimes scary world. It was kind of like when I first encountered BDSM literature and on someone's rec read "The Story of O". Was it a sometimes an uncomfortable read? Was it at times disturbing? Scary? Yes, to all of those, but I finished it. Did I like it in the end? Parts of it. I even enjoyed some of them and found some scenes kinda hot; but on the whole, I wouldn't say that I liked the book. What it did do is make me brave enough (for lack of a better term) to read a few BDSM fan fiction stories after I discovered QAF and to trust the author to put some of my all-time favorite TV characters in those kinds of situations.

I may not like or agree with everything when I read fan fiction or mainstream fiction for that matter, but 99% of the time I can easily accept a premise, an idea, a plot point or characterization. I realize and accept the fact that in fiction authors twist reality to suit their purposes with regularity and not every depiction of love, sex, relationship or lifestyle will mirror our everyday world exactly.

I just couldn't suspend my disbelief enough in this particular case and in all honesty couldn't trust the author not to completely screw with my favorite characters and read the series to the end.

[xie-xie-xie.livejournal.com]

I know what you're saying, and I feel the same way about this fic as well as tons of other fics, including some that are very much beloved in this fandom. People like, and are aroused, by all kinds of different things, and it's virtually impossible to analyze a story without saying something negative about some part of it that someone else particularly loves/is turned on by.

My interest in this particular discussion right now is really just upped because of the recent success of "Fifty Shades," which appears to touch on many of the same themes as this story.

Although discussions of specific fics, and fic in general, do spring up here from time to time, and I hope this isn't considered wank!, I do see the original poster has edited her post to say she didn't mean to "open a can of worms," just to find a fic. I actually didn't realize at first that you and the OP weren't the same person, LOL... ask anyone, I'm just horrible at noticing who says what in a discussion, tending more to respond to WHAT was said, not who said it.

So I'm sorry for hijacking the discussion, as much as I've enjoyed it. I may post about this concept on my own journal later... probably a more appropriate place for the discussion!

Enjoy your weekend!