getithere | Mask & Unbearable by jans

I buy fanfic repackaged as original fic. I also have Mask and its a very good book, as well as a few more by Jan Irving. Coincidently I never read any of her stories as fan fic as I found the QAF fandom too late, but I have read J2 Stories rewritten as original fic, I also have quite a few books where I also have the fan fic version as well.

I buy the books to support the authors as a) they are very good writers, and b) I want them to continue writing. What you tend to find is once a fan fic writer has moved over to original fic they no longer write anything in fandom, so if you want to continue to read stories written by them you buy the books.

For me its just the same as reading books by other authors who didn't start in fan fic, its no different.

I support the authors that I know I've read fanfic for and have discovered their published works. I just have issues with rehashed fanfic. I suppose it's because I think of it this way:

Let's say I've written an essay for one of my classes and turned it in to my professor. She then provides me not only a grade, but suggestions on how to correct my grammatical errors and overall improve the essay in general. Next semester when I need to turn in essays for my new class (which has similar topics) do I then rehash that previous essay? Do I take what that another professor has shown me, correct the mistakes, and turn it in again because this new professor has never read it before?

Does that sort of make sense why I think it's unfair to take fanfic that has been online however long, yank it off, change a few names, then make money off of it? I wouldn't make money from rehashing an already graded essay, but I'm cheating not only myself but my professor by not putting the work into the class and just reusing material I've already done before. Maybe my work ethic varies from others...who knows.

I think we just look at in a different way, for me every fan fic story I read is a gift, so if an author allows me to read it as a fan fic story, for free, then I can hardly have a go because she then decides to rehash it and get it published. After all it's my decision to buy it, no one forces me. And if the author decides to remove the story from the fandom, whilst I can understand newer fans being annoyed, as I was originally with Jan Irvings stories, it is understandable. The story is the authors creation they have the right to do with it what they will.

I have, and continue to beta both fan fic and original stories, even though I edit and give advice, it's still the authors creation.

Yes, I think we have to agree to disagree, which is perfectly normal. I personally won't buy works that I know are rehashed fanfic, but like you said it's my choice. Should she make something original that I know for a fact that is not simply rehashed B/J fic then I would be willing to purchase and support her works. (Or any author that has worked hard on something that again...is not simply rehashed fanfic.) I think that's where my line is drawn when I know that they simply searched/replaced names and called it "original" when many others know that it's not.

I came late to the party in QAF so her fanfics were already gone, a while back when I was asking about one I heard of someone linked me to the website but then I was informed that it was the same story just new names. I suppose the idea that it was so easily able to be changed from Brian/Justin fanfic to Greg/Steve, Mike/Sam, or whatever name combination you prefer was my turn off point. *shrugs* Again different strokes for different folks. :)

Edit: Typo!

Edited 2011-05-18 21:19 (UTC)

It's a very emotive subject on both sides, it's just a real pity the fan fic can't live side by side with the published book, then everyone would be happy. I think it causes more friction in the QAF fandom as Jan is so insistent that her fics are not shared around, its much more relaxed in the SPN fandom, and in that fandom the authors who published are supported quite well, and there is more than just one, I know of at least 5 authors in the SPN fandom that publish their stories.

I don't think it's just limited to cause friction in QAF, I was using it as an example because of the fact that is our joint "fandom". I've seen in it others, in fact there was major flare up years ago in HP when one fanfic author not only tried to have her works published using different character names, but so much of the items in her stories were pulled from old paperback books that it seems she hoped no one would recognize. (I can't recall her name off the top of my head but there was many websites dedicated towards that mess.)

I've known many authors over the years that write both fanfic for fun and then publish their own books. I've also known many that don't want their published name connected with their Livejournal account as well and understand their need for that separation.

I think it's like

kellydeer said below us, people wanted the story as it was with the beloved characters from their fandom. Even knowing it's the same story when the names are changed it changes how some perceive it.

Edited 2011-05-18 23:48 (UTC)

Yes! Exactly!!!

Thank you ipitydaf00l

You talking about Cassandra Claire, aka Cassandra Clare? She's tied into (albeit lightly) that HUGE wank with MsScribe...which is like HP fandom legend. It took me a WEEK to read all of that, and...wow. Just...you've not seen or been involved in wank to equal that shit. Multiple sockpuppet accounts, stalking/not stalking, legal threats...dude.

Yes, Cassie Claire or CC. At first I was getting her confused with Heidi, only because I still use the term Heidipologies (http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/Heidipology) on occasion...and it's part of the Cassie Claire mess.

I remember MsScribe along with many others even some from fandoms that I wasn't a part of. (I used to have a group of friends that were very dedicated to any fandom_wank to be had because it was like TV to them.)

I think it's what surprises me about people that have been in a fandom for any length of time. Those that act as though they are shocked that places like fanfic_rants and fandom_wank exist. Others that feel that if they simply delete comments that makes things go away and they don't have to apologize for their behavior because "it's not there anymore". Nope, as many have discovered the hard way that you have to be willing to stand by anything you do say comment wise. It's why I don't use anon comments, except in rare cases. (Those anon writing memes for example...even then I've screwed up and forgot to change it to anon at times.)

I may have to apologize later to some people, but most of the time I rarely get ugly or hateful unless they have given me a valid reason to. Mostly being ugly or hateful to me first. Granted in my last "fight", Laurie chose not to say those things to me, just about me in various journals that I was friend's with at the time. Sure those comments are deleted now...but that's the beauty of screencaps. :)

The really hilarious thing was she wanted me to keep her on my f-list and give her the names of people sending me PMs of all her entries, etc. Um...she can deal with the trolls on her f-list herself, it's not my problem, especially not after everything that has been said to me because of her threatening to "run aways forevers!"

Sorry, I can't think of wank type things without thinking about that mess at the moment.

Believe me, honey, I understand.

Man, that MsScribe/CC wank was...brilliant. I couldn't believe the things that were said and done. This was my reason for going to F_W in the first place. Those that do not remember the past...etc. And yeah, I don't get how people don't understand or are all shocked and shaken when the mention of other wank journals comes up. They were here before I found LJ, they'll be here when I'm gone. I hate anon comms, it's just a place for people to be bitchy. And yeah, I've called out a few people on their shit in a few, different fandom, tho.

The thing with me is, I'm cool until someone pisses me off, then I blow without taking a breath. If I learned anything from the last time, it's that some people cannot be reasoned with. They will say and think what they want without looking at all sides of the issue, and they will think what they want of you, and nothing you say will change that. I learned, in essence, when to walk away. Sometimes, letting the other person rant and rave only makes them look stupid. Besides, life is way too short, and I have other, real life things to worry about.

Weeping Cock, tho...have you been there? OMG, the stuff they post, it's like (Any) Fandom's Guide To Bad Sex. I've seen stuff that is anatomically impossible, even in the anime fandoms! And the epithets for body parts!! *dies* "Man pussy" is still the one that makes me wanna hurl and die laughing at once. You MUST go there, if for no other reason than to cheer you up when you're feeling blue. One post will have you spitting liquids at your screen.

They were here before I found LJ, they'll be here when I'm gone.

I remember when they were on LJ before they were closed down and transferred to their new home. I've been on LJ for a decade now....and so when someone goes 'OMG PEOPLE DO THAT??', I find myself thinking, "Seriously? How the hell did you not know about this?!? How could you not have ever heard of it!?"

I think I react the same way as you, and in that situation several of my buttons were continually pushed.

I'm not sure if I've been to Weeping Cock...I've heard of it, but personally never gone. I had to stop myself when I made a post about the Original/Fanfic discussion when one of my friends asked if I remembered the stories that authors tried to change Het!fic into slash!fic but they forgot to change pronouns or sexual organs. D: I almost went off onto my tangent of when I'm reading sex scenes and have moments where a really hot scene goes to hell because I'm still sort of stuck with "they just put what into what?!?!?" I know I read in a book somewhere that flowery prose was more favorable for women that purchase romance novels but I'd rather see cock than man meat, joystick, tab A and well, you get the idea. ;)

purkledragon and I had made a series of icons at one time during ADL drama in which we discussed whether young girls were using fanfic as their source for sex education. (Mostly because of shit we were seeing in fanfics.)

I still wish I could find where I saved those icons, though I admit that they are easily seven or eight years old, but they are similar to this one, but had lists:

1.) Pointy sticks make excellent dildos!
2.) Lube is for sissies!
3.) Condoms are for balloon animals, yes?

and they went on...makes me sad I can't find them because I've seen a lot of stuff during my fandom years...and have been guilty of some things too. D: If I said I wasn't at some point that would be lying. I'm sure I wrote many cliche fanfic and there's some I won't read now because wow...I had no idea what Sue!fic was in my teen years.

I disagree. It's entirely different, and i think it's bad form to just take a fanfic, replace the characters and then publish it as original work.
I agree that there ARE fanfics turned into original work, like "Zero to the Bone" that are very good, but in that case the fanfic was already AU/AU and that certainly makes a difference. However, I don't like it - and you won't convince me otherwise. It's just plain bad form to do it. If the writer is really that good, then he or she won't have a problem producing something really original and have success with it, just like Sarah Rees Brennan proved it in the HP fandom.

Whilst I understand and respect your opinion in a way you have just proved what I said as I never even knew Zero to the Bone was previously a fan fic. I have that book, just haven't read it yet.

I never said that those books can't be good. Jane Seville (the author of Zero at the Bone) is a fantastic author and has written a lot of good stuff in the BBM fandom. It's not about that. What irks me in people like Jan Irving is that while she was writing fanfic, she only friended people who would feedback her, and if you didn't you were thrown out of her "circle" in a flash. So she used her f-list to improve as an author and then - voilá, she pulls all her stuff and makes money with it. that kind of behaviour is bad form. It just is.

I didn't know Jan Irving in the QAF fandom, and don't know her as an author so thanks for that information, as I don't like that behaviour either. The authors I support started in the SPN J 2 RPS writing AUs, all if them are very good and now write exclusively original fic.

Mask & Unbearable by jans_intentions

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