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so I just read an interview for Hal sparks here , that he came out as totally jealous of gale and randy in it and was wondering if there was any rps that deals with him being jealous of the two of them.
thanks!
ETA: this turned into a discussion post, if you have any fic or interview or opinion on the subject feel free to comment ^^

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(unlike Randy, who was NOT kidding
with the comments he made about the show and Justin's
relationship with Brian to "The Advocate" and others)

Matter of opinion. It's my understanding that he was asked to fill out some Q&A thing, and he was really snarky with his answers, and they were taken literally. Since I don't know him personally, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was not serious. Unless he's said otherwise on record, I'm going with that.

It wasn't just one snarky interview though. Once Randy got together with Simon he changed. It's as clear as day when the change in Randy happened. Simon wasn't down with Randy's fans, he wasn't really supportive of the show. Simon himself was just a very stuck up, snobby guy that took his job at Colours very very seriously. Simon has said some very unpleasant thing in the past about fans of QAF and fans of Randy. I am too lazy to find link right now but I will find them if you need them.

The sex scenes on the show became more scripted and less improvised after Randy was with Simon and that distance is apparent on the screen.

In season 1 and 2 Randy and Gale were off script a lot with their sex scenes. A few of us that have scripts can verify this. It's one of the reasons those scenes were amazing and very different from those in season 3-5. I think Simon's attitude was one of the reason Cowlip and Randy had issues on top of that Advocate article. I mean having Justin saying things like some critic named Simon was a cunt isn't exactly subtle.

The last 2 seasons of the show were just so filled with obvious resentments and anger behind the scenes that it bled through in a very unprofessional manner. I honestly think that is why I don't even count season 4 and 5 as canon anymore in fic. The soap opera queening of Brian and the schizophrenia of Justin was just a bit too much after seeing 3 seasons of good writing and good story telling.

Edited 2010-03-23 14:15 (UTC)

I never said it was one snarky interview, I cited one snarky interview. And yes, I know all about Simon and his disdain for the show and fans. However, Simon is not Randy, even though his words and thoughts appeared to come out of Randy's mouth.

And I don't have a script, but I'm not a new fan, either. I clearly can and did see the difference in the scenes over the course of the show. I know that Randy has upset about the Posse arc, and particularly about the gun masturbation. So was I, it was probably one of the single most disgusting things I've seen on tv. And yes, I'm well aware of the cunt reference, who isn't by now? I think that was the second most disgusting thing I've ever seen, because it was personal. No producer worth his salt would ever let their personal animosity dominate their script or show, and I thought it was incredibly unprofessional. You notice CowLip doesn't have anything on tv right now. Shit like this comes back to bite. And no, they don't have to have projects on tv at all times, but when I think of tv producers, like Stephen J Cannell, Dick Wolf, JJ Abrams, I see producers that always have a series ready to go, sometimes while another of theirs is running. Maybe C/L is having a hard time selling a series right now? Who knows.

But as far as Randy goes, I'm going to go with the things he said at the Paris convention. There, he was gracious towards the fans and the show. The things he said directly contradict the things he said back then. Time heals wounds, and he was man enough to say so. I cannot and will not see him as the villain here. So many people do. I see him as just one more actor that let their partner influence their thoughts to their detriment.

You make some very good points and I am going to try to find what Randy said in Paris because I am actually intrigued by this 180 that he has made.

I am really fascinated by all this. I only discovered the show in the last year (which is pretty amazing considering I *lived* about 10 miles from where they filmed it at the time *sob*). I purposely avoided reading anything about the show or the actors before I finished watching the series, and the only one I'd ever heard of was Sharon. While I wanted to beat the snot out of him occasionally, I loved the Michael character and I was sorely disappointed to read about Hal's attitude towards G/R after I started looking things up post-series. Very unprofessional and petty of him, especially since neither Gale or Randy ever responded in kind. I am glad I didn't know about it at the time as I'm sure it would have coloured my opinions of the character.

Sadly, I'd say the same about Randy (and I LOVE Justin) and his general disdain about the show. I can honestly say though, that I didn't notice any of it on-screen. What prompted me to post now is that reading about Simon and the 'cunty critic' comments makes me laugh. out. loud. because when I heard that line on the show? My first thought was that they were referring to Simon Cowell. Bwah! (Caswell/Cowell - it could've happened!!)

I meant to add also that I, too, have mellowed towards Randy. Like vlredreign said, he's grown up enough to have perhaps reconsidered some of the things he said/did. He was a fairly young man going into all this and he wouldn't be the first one (man or woman) to be influenced by a lover into doing/saying/believing things that they later regret.

Plus, he's cute as a bug. *g*

I think this is one of the most interesting BTS aspect of QAF, because none of it makes total sense & you can debate stuff on both sides.

It couldnt be that big of a deal that Randy openly hates some arcs... Peter Paige beyond HATED the Fetch Dixson stuff & they even let him bitch about it in the QAF Companion book.

I've heard the personality clashes excuse & I can see that. I also think we need to think a little more base...the powers that be were very geeky, not so pretty gay men. Randy was the golden child... I think a little gay on gay bitchiness may have stemmed from that. Like if Randy did anything.... it was painted negative.

Didnt writer Del Shores recently say in public that "Randy Harrison was an ingrateful little shit?"

I hated when Randy would diss the show, during the run. Some of the snark... like he'd fuck Justin, but thats it...or get him into yoga... I laughed at, but the really stuff made it uncomfy to me as a fan.

The obvious example the writers nailed him back on...Simon the cunty critic, Jen's 'systematical abuse speech....and in 5x1, when the Brett guy is talking about the Connor guy dissing hollywood, but still cashing the checks & doing an off, off,off, way off Broadway play.

I still think the queer guys unibrow, welcome to civilization bit was aimed at Gale....either way, I loved it!

I want to know if Cowlip still has issues with Gale & or Randy. Was Hal right to say that, or is it ancient history? In our youth, we all bitched about work & precieved injustices more than we should of... but Randy & Gale have been damn near nostalgic & gracious of late, so yay boys.

....where as Hal seems to have chronic diarrhea of the mouth.

I have to agree with you. I have watched interviews where he is smiling and laughing and saying something snarky and not only are they taken seriously, but also twisted into something way worse.

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